Reverend Lloyd G. Austin

Interviewed by Chris Jones, 11 December 2006

Rev. AustinReverend Austin has been associated with St. John the Baptist Church in Moiser Valley for many years. In his role as Pastor, he is very familiar with the residents and history of Moiser Valley.

At the time of this interview, Chris Jones was a Euless resident and a member of the Euless Historical Preservation Committee.


Chris Jones: Let’s start with your name.

Rev. Austin: Lloyd George Austin, like Austin, Texas.

Chris Jones: And your address sir, I know its somewhere in Fort Worth?

Rev. Austin: 2700 Galvez, G-a-l-v-e-z Avenue, Fort Worth, Texas, 76111.

Chris Jones: Phone number?

Rev. Austin: 817-335-3120.

Chris Jones: Date of birth?

Rev. Austin: December 1, 1923.

Chris Jones: Well, happy belated birthday.

Rev. Austin: Thank you.

Chris Jones: Where were you born sir?

Rev. Austin: Clarksville, Texas, well no, Greenville.

Chris Jones: Uh hum, are you married?

Rev. Austin: Yes sir.

Chris Jones: And your spouse’s name?

Rev. Austin: Macie, M-a-c-i-e Austin.

Chris Jones: Children?

Rev. Austin: One, Gergina, G-e-r-g-i-n-a.

Chris Jones: Her birth date?

Rev. Austin: March 15, 1955.

Chris Jones: Your father’s full name and birth date?

Rev. Austin: George Austin, I don’t even know his birth date.

Chris Jones: And your mothers name and birth date?

Rev. Austin: Ida Austin.

Chris Jones: Do you have a maiden name for her?

Rev. Austin: Umm, I think it was Allen.

Chris Jones: How about, do you have a birth date for her?

Rev. Austin: No. I don’t.

Chris Jones: Any sister’s of yours?

Rev. Austin: My sisters, they all passed on.

Chris Jones: Okay. How about brothers?

Rev. Austin: I had a bunch of brothers but they all passed on. No body left but me, Lloyd. They said there was twenty three on two wives, eleven on one side and twelve on the other side.

Chris Jones: All from your father?

Rev. Austin: My daddy married twice.

Chris Jones: Do you have your, either of your grandparents’ names?

Rev. Austin: No.

Chris Jones: Where did you attend school?

Rev. Austin: Fort Worth public school.

Chris Jones: And where was the last school you went to, did you graduate from high school or?

Rev. Austin: Twelve Street Junior High, went to the seventh grade.

Chris Jones: And that was in Fort Worth.

Rev. Austin: Yes sir.

Chris Jones: I’m gonna guess that was on 12th Street somewhere?

Rev. Austin: It was on 12th Street.

Chris Jones: Okay.

Rev. Austin: Still standing up there, used to be the old (I.M.) jail school made it into a junior high. Way back then we just had one school, I.M. Terrell.

Chris Jones: Oh, that’s still there isn’t it?

Rev. Austin: The old building still over there got a elementary school in it. Where I was going was the first building that they had. Daddy use to have to come from 12th Street, watch practice here, down here to Greenway Park right on Belknap and play football and practice then jog all way the way back to school to take a shower.

Chris Jones: So you were raised in Fort Worth and you live there now? My understanding is that you had, at least part of your adult life, was spent here at Mosier Valley?

Rev. Austin: No.

Chris Jones: No, is that incorrect?

Rev. Austin: Just pastored in Mosier Valley, I lived in Fort Worth all my time.

Chris Jones: All your time, okay…where did you pastor?

Rev. Austin: St. John Missionary Baptist Church in Mosier Valley.

Chris Jones: And that is, I presume that’s your occupation, your occupation has been in ministry all your life?

Rev. Austin: No, I worked for National Cash Register. I’m retired from them after twenty four years but I pastored all the time, most the time that I was working for them, first pastor in a little town Sanger, Texas on the other side of Denton.

Chris Jones: You know where it is? What church was that?

Rev. Austin: Galilee, been up there eleven months.

Chris Jones: What denomination is that church?

Rev. Austin: Baptist.

Chris Jones: Baptist Church. I’m a Baptist myself.

Rev. Austin: Are you?

Chris Jones: What year were you in Sanger?

Rev. Austin: 1963 I think.

Chris Jones: And you retired from National Cash Register you said twenty four years, what year did you say did you retire?

Rev. Austin: 1985.

Chris Jones: Now what the name of the church in Mosier Valley?

Rev. Austin: St. John Missionary Baptist.

Chris Jones: And how long did you pastor in Mosier Valley?

Rev. Austin: Pastored forty two years.

Chris Jones: Wow. From when to when?

Rev. Austin: From 1964 to 2005.

Chris Jones: Oh, very recently.

Rev. Austin: Um hum.

Chris Jones: The idea is to draw a history from you about the area, including Mosier Valley. What highlights or things occurred that you think would be pertinent that you think would need to be included in an oral history concerning this area that you had first hand knowledge of.

Rev. Austin: Well, I met some people lived in Mosier Valley, Fowler, F-a-r-r-o-w. I came by, had this visiting different guys, come out here on hay rides and stuff like that and ah, that was in my days before pastor before preaching really, hadn’t started preaching then. And then I, after I started preaching what’s called a pastor nap, and ah, it was a rural area, black people lived out there, just black lived in Mosier Valley and they shuck corn, they’d take the stuff to Fort Worth and sell it, some cattle and um, things like this but they were kind of self supporting. Mosier Valley really was kind a productive cause they raised stuff born on the land. And ah, well when I was called to St. John in 1964 it was rural like and ah, organized what they called the Mosier Valley Community Club and I became the president of it.

Chris Jones: What was the purpose of the club?

Rev. Austin: To help get it cleaned up, the Mosier Valley community, you had wrecked cars sitting up side the house, then have the streets fixed, they were mostly torn up. No street lights, so these were things that we had to work with through the City of Fort Worth.

Chris Jones: Is that a part of the City of Fort Worth?

Rev. Austin: It’s in Fort Worth. Anything south of Pipeline is in Fort Worth, north side is Euless.

Chris Jones: How do you, do you have any history on Mosier Valley; you know how it became established there?

Rev. Austin: No more than just heresy, I don’t have anything but the way they spelling it now, not the way it was spelled when it was organized when the slaves came in to.

Chris Jones: How would was that?

Rev. Austin: It was name Moshia M-o-s-h-i-a Valley. That’s the guy who gave the land to em and let go free…from where all of them...

Chris Jones: And who was he?

Rev. Austin: He was the owner of all this property, all of em up in here and he gave each one of those slaves a some of that land north of the Trinity River and ah, they farmed it and worked it.

Chris Jones: I know that the City of Fort Worth acquired that area right after WWII in an effort to make the connection between downtown Fort Worth and the old Greater Southwest International Airport. I’m gonna guess that the residents there probably didn’t see a lot of city services?

Rev. Austin: No, that’s the thing I had out there. I started pasturing out there, you didn’t have water, you didn’t have light, gas…everybody was on butane and had wells to get their water from. Well, Fort Worth annexed it but they didn’t do anything to em.

Chris Jones: Yeah, they just wanted the connection to the airport I guess.

Rev. Austin: Yeah, to get the taxes from it and whatever, course it had become a part of Fort Worth. First there’s just Tarrant County.

Chris Jones: So you were not around, one of the big stories that I hear is the attempt at integration that took place here in 19…, some time early 1950’s I’m not sure, you were not here, not involved in seeing any of that?

Rev. Austin: No, they had a problem with 'em getting a school in Mosier Valley, the HEB School District was then in Euless, Hurst, Bedford, they had they own school operation and ah, Mosier Valley fell in the district of Euless and they had problem getting Euless to build 'em a school, take care of the school and blah, blah, blah. They had to do a march down here downtown on Euless to see if they could get them to do something with that Mosier Valley, and from there on they went on and they finally build them a new building then integrated it. The old building stood there and before I left, it was integrated; and they had, was integrated it just be old black children went there and finally integration came and they sent the children to all these schools around here HEB School District. The old building sat there for myself as the president of the Community Club, we kept working and we went up to Euless School District, HEB School District, and gave em a proposal and asked them what it would take for us to use the old school building in Mosier Valley and they said we could lease it for $100 a month and they leased it to us and let us use it for a community building, a community center. This is where the Methodist Church came in because we had dreamed of having a school, what is that, what you call it, helping slow children and we went to that Methodist Church and they offered their help to the children, to help them pick up their grades. First United Methodist Church, they were real nice, they were wonderful, they came out and helped us get that to going and helped us they did, they came in the afternoon and taught those slow children. Then they decided that we needed a library and they got it set up and organized, helped get books put in it.

Chris Jones: In Mosier Valley?

Rev. Austin: Um hum, in the Mosier Valley old school building.

Chris Jones: Okay, so the old school building became a Community Center and public library.

Rev. Austin: Um Hum. It was a great blessing to get it cause we had a lot of things went on in that building, you know for the community.

Chris Jones: I’ve been told that building later got moved. Is it correct? Did you know anything about that?

Rev. Austin: Trying to think, yeah, they moved it up here in Hurst somewhere. I don’t know if it’s still there or not but it used to sit on the corner.

Chris Jones: In ah, off somewhere in Hurst?

Rev. Austin: In Bedford that’s where it was, it wasn’t Hurst, it was Bedford. Bedford used to have just a little Library and Post Office and all that stuff it wasn’t building or nothing, I think it sat in that old building kind a south there, I believe it was.

Chris Jones: We kind of skipped over, I should have asked you earlier, did you ever have any military service?

Rev. Austin: No sir. Got burnt when I was about four years old, in Hugo, Oklahoma, that’s where we lived, playing with fire. Burned my leg all over the back over here and I had to lay on my stomach till I healed. Well when I healed then we moved to Fort Worth in 1932. Yeah, my sister came up there and got us. She was there in Fort Worth, moved us to Fort Worth and ah we been there ever since, 1932, it was January.

Chris Jones: What did you do when you worked for National Cash Register?

Rev. Austin: I operated a warehouse; shipping and receiving.

Chris Jones: In Fort Worth?

Rev. Austin: Yes sir.

Chris Jones: Anything else you can tell me about that occurred in Mosier Valley that you would deem important to be captured and included?

Rev. Austin: Well, that’s about all I know about Mosier Valley.

Chris Jones: How about any other part of the northeast Tarrant County?

Rev. Austin: Well I had some problem when I bought a home in Fort Worth in the rural side area out on Judkins, 209 North Judkins.

Chris Jones: That was your home.

Rev. Austin: I bought it yes. Well it caused a race disturbance. The guy that sold it to me didn’t care about my color or anything he just wanted to sell the house. I passed his house coming out of Mosier Valley and he had the sign in his yard so I asked him could I buy it? He said, well yeah, I thought he might object to me being black but he didn’t even think about the color, he just wanted to sell the house and he did, he sold it to me. And ah, get to stuck a lean on it, didn’t have a lot of money to put down on it but he did, stuck a lean. Well after I bought the house I used a company truck which was a term in the brand…we called it a Blue Tag Feed and Seed, and I used that truck to move down there at what they called Rock Island Bottom down by (unintelligible) and moved over there. After I got moved, everything seemed going pretty good. Late that next day they got to gathering, the white people coming from everywhere, hollering that they didn’t want us in there and called me names and all that.

Chris Jones: When was this?

Rev. Austin: In 1955, well 56, 1956.

Chris Jones: Where exactly is that, you said Riverside, where on Riverside?

Rev. Austin: It’s the street that runs into 121, it would be, well, it’d be south of 121. Judkin run north and south.

Chris Jones: Runs parallel with the Riverside, the street?

Rev. Austin: No the street run north and south and my house will be sitting in the middle of 121…if it was still there.

Chris Jones: Oh, okay, so they put the highway in where your house was?

Rev. Austin: Yeah, they had to move it. After I had bought it, then later on they decided to build that 121 Freeway through there. I could a kept the house but I couldn’t find no where to move it to, I tried every kind a way to move that house, couldn’t find no where to put it but they bowled over it and just knocked it down.

Chris Jones: What did they, did they probably declare it Imminent Domain to acquire that property, to put the highway?

Rev. Austin: Yes, something that you had to, you can’t keep what they called progress; the state can not stop progress. They say you can not have something to hinder it and ah, they needed my property to make that freeway there.

Chris Jones: When was, when did that happen, when did 121 go in?

Rev. Austin: 1960, somewhere along there.

Chris Jones: Going back to 1960 is about when they build the highway, tore down the house?

Rev. Austin: Yeah.

Chris Jones: How did you finally resolve the situation with the folks that didn’t want you there?

Rev. Austin: Well I tried to get the City of Fort Worth police department to come out cause they was just marching up and down that block and ah, they wouldn’t, The City of Fort Worth wouldn’t, and ah the chief say, well there have to be some violence, I say, I don’t need no violence, I said, I don’t need no violence, they throwing rocks all on my house, standing out front of my house calling me names. The lady that live across from me, she was a alcoholic and she drank a lot and she would come over and shake my door and all that kind of stuff so I ah, kept calling them and police still wouldn’t give me no kind a assistance. So I had gotten enough of it, they went talking about burning my house, all out in the front of my house they talking about, let’s burn that n..... house and had hollered images on a tree that was in front of my house, and my child was there, she was about, bout a year old and ah, I’d had enough of that, so I prayed standing in the living room, said to the Lord I’ve had enough of this, I can’t handle no more of it so I went to the window and raised it, didn’t aim at nothing, just shot out the window with a .22 rifle and it hit a young man’s car that was out there. He had no business over there, he came over to pick up a girlfriend but he saw the surroundment, he come over and parked, walked around with them. Anyway, the bullet hit his car and then, and within 10 minutes I guess, the Chief of Police was out there with a voice horn saying that anybody that don’t live on this block, I want you out of here in five minutes right now. I don’t mean nothing else I mean right now, and he cleaned that block and then he gave me I guess you’d call it some kind of patrol, they was also to be there day and night just marching back and forth on that block. They kept that going and then some of them officials, rich people in Fort Worth, they called a council, some kind of consoling council and we’d go down there and meet them at the Fort Worth National Bank up in the meeting room, a long table, and all the executive of Fort Worth, most of them anyway and a guy name Daily cant tell) Johnson, he was president of Fort Worth National Bank and he called me and he chaired it, so I went up there twice and they didn’t feel like they’d get nothing done. Then there’s a black doctor in Fort Worth named James Burnett and they supposed to give him some money if he got me to move out of that block. They said I was causing a confusion, I didn’t cause no confusion. I bought some property, paid my down payment. I worked every day hauling feed…370 sacks of feed…I hadn’t stole nothing and I…well anyway they kept having those meeting so Mr. Johnson asked me, he says, Lloyd, why don’t you sell that house and have peace, you won’t have all this confusion from the white race, they don’t want you in there, why don’t you sell it? Mr. Johnson, I ain’t done nothing to nobody, I bought me a house cause I wanted a house. I work every day, I bought the house so therefore it's mine. He says, well why don’t you move and have peace? I’m gonna have peace. I’m not gonna move, it's mine. So finally he stood up like this with his hand down his pants and he said to the whole group, a whole big group of em, well, ya’ll heard what this n..... said so just keep asking him, keep talking to him. This meeting is adjourned. From then on, had peace and I made myself friendly and then the lady that was an alcoholic, she quit drinking that devil and I could go to church come back, if anybody came to my house while I was gone she’d come on and said Lloyd, Mr. Austin, you had a car come over here while you were gone. Thank you very much and the boy’s car that I hit, he said, he put a write up in the paper, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, that he was gonna sue me for hittin his car, so I said back to him in the paper, any time you wanna do that we’ll meet and see about that, so he just dropped it left it alone and you wont believe its been bout 2 years now when the Fort Worth Star-Telegram writers called me and said he had met this boy, the guy had called him, cause he read the write up in the paper and he wanna know if, and he joined the church and he got saved, he wanna know if he can come over and talk to me. He wanted to meet me and beg my apology for being over there. Sure! He didn’t come to my house but then we met on the side of 121, on one of those service roads there, shook hands, apologize and went our own way and that was the end of that story.

Chris Jones: And so you were there from about “56” to roughly about four or five years.

Rev. Austin: About four years I think it was.

Chris Jones: And apparently once all these meetings and so forth took place and they adjourned the meeting you never really had any trouble after that I guess.

Rev. Austin: It was all over.

Chris Jones: Okay, very, very interesting.

Rev. Austin: I’d taken St. John when it was, the membership was scattered, it had outside restrooms, toilets, the seats was built on slated material which was nailed on pieces of board like, I guess 2’x6’s put together and then made the post underneath the bottom and I came to church like that and it was struggling, course I was still working, thing of it was, and ah, every morning as I started pastoring there’d be some lady would come up and turn around and show me the bottom of her leg that the seat would move like this like you sittin' in it and it tear that holes. I said, well ma'am, just give us some time we’ll work toward to get some pews and we finally got everything fixed and ah, we took the old pews out, bought some new ones. First thing about that though we had to sand the floors, it was a pretty building but it need a whole lot of work done to it and so we got that done and had to have the yard fixed, it was muddy and you couldn’t hardly get in there without getting mud all over you. So, had the yard fixed, then we had the floors fixed and the sanctuary finally then we got the pews in and then we had carpet put down. Got the restrooms put in to the building, inside the house, things just went and after a long good while, some property south of the church, they dug out what they called topsoil, set it to contractors cause they had to have clay to put on a home to…first they wouldn’t let you built a piece of concrete without it being some solid soil, black dirt shifts, so they dug all that out next door to the church and a young man…and he died and his kids had it and they wouldn’t agree to letting us have it so I tried to buy a acre from 'em to keep our land on the church…eroded every time it rained the land would drop in and ah, finally the kids, they went on their way and ah they lost it by taxes. The hole, big ole, had ducks swimming in it like a pool and fish jumping up and they come up on the courthouse, stopped up there auction off well, this white fella came out, didn’t look at it cause he was a head real estate man he looked at that hole and said, I understand, ya’ll wanna buy this? I said yes we will, man you never get that thing filled in at least in ten years if you tried. Okay, Lloyd’ll fill it in. Well I just…we gonna buy it. So we went down to the auction, the bid came up, nobody bid on it but one lady went down there with us and she bid first and made it go up a little bit but other than that we bid and got it, for the church. And it was a deep hole, it was as this thing here, this room

Chris Jones: Really?

Rev. Austin: And ah, I prayed about it and I got out there, used to be and I guess they still do it, well somebody’s moving soil from somewhere they fixin' to build or something like that and rather than them going to the land fill with it they had to pay out $50 a load at that time, takin it to the landfill so they’d drive out to Mosier Valley and they’d find a place, they’d dump it, take off. But I got out there by the church and I went to flagging them down, they’d come through and I told them to pull in there and dump…well how much is it I said? They said nothing, so they’d pull in there and just dumped and then ah, got to where I needed somebody to push it back cause you couldn’t just keep dumping so the white gentleman down the street from me, he had a…some kind a landscaping company, business…but he had a big ole bull dozer down there he used for different things so, I went down and asked him if he’d push it back for me and we’d pay him. Well he’d just keep it pushed back, keep on dumping in there so he came up and he pushed it back and I tried to pay him, he’d say no Brother Austin, you don’t have to pay me and everyday he would go out on his job…he done any of their work someway he had tap parking lots and knocking down some buildings for houses and stuff like this and he’d come on out after he’d come home from work, get up on that bulldozer, pushed that stuff back and get it in there and he did that till it became level just like this, but he wouldn’t take no pay. So finally he got engaged and ah, he wanted to know if I would marry em, I said yeah where you gonna marry? So I married him in this little, down there in here, so I went up there to the house and married him and this young lady, last I’d heard they were still together.

Chris Jones: That’s interesting, ah where exactly is the Mosier Valley church building? Is it like at Halls Anderson and Pipeline or where was it?

Rev. Austin: Well the church was organized on the property on the far northern (unintelligible) which is going down Mosier Valley Road, just to the right there where you see that…what is it, T.V…some kind of tower there they got up, I can’t think what the name of it is but anyway, they bought that from us too to put that thing and just beyond that is where the church was back off to the right of Mosier Valley Road. They organized there and then it bounced around and went back up Mosier Valley Road to another person property up there and finally they decided to come down to where it is now but they didn’t have that, no building and they had the land. The land was donated to them; lady gave them four acres of land to build the church and a lodge hall. The lodge would meet upstairs, the church met downstairs then they had a school cause there was only way they could have school cause they didn’t have no black schools in edge of Dallas County which was called Bear Creek and Mosier Valley…Tarrant, so they just organized the school, then they had in the bottom of it the Lodge Hall, but then they church decided they gonna build them a building, they build a wood building. I did have a…I used to have a picture. And then they went on with the wood building and finally they had a preacher name Reverend. Hemphill, he came in from down south Texas somewhere and they needed a new building so they build the red…the new brick red building that way there’s none and that’s the way it was.

Chris Jones: Well I’m trying to remember where that is.

Rev. Austin: What Mosier Valley?

Chris Jones: No, the church itself. It’s still there?

Rev. Austin: Yeah, you just go where 10 is and turn left and what is that…yeah turn left on Euless Bedford Road that there, is some bank or something there, I can’t think of the name of it now but just turn there on Bedford Road and you turn left and go on and its gonna change name to Pipeline don’t worry about that, just keep going south then you gonna cross Trinity Boulevard they got a red light there now there’s a Wholeness Church sittin' near by that left keep going you cross through that light the church going to be on your left. You go to Euless parkway you be going south and you go through all these streets I was telling you then when you go across Trinity Boulevard you goin to be right at it pretty close cause its set to your left, and over here is a lot of commercial building and things like this. It’s a red brick building and it has a sign out in front says St. John Baptist church.

Chris Jones: When was that particular building build? What year?

Rev. Austin: 1960, 1960, Hemphill, he was the pastor.

Chris Jones: And he was there before you or after you?

Rev. Austin: Before me. He was there about 16 years He did all the building of the sanctuary and the church and I added on to the back of it cause we ran out of room. Yeah that’s the picture of Mosier Valley just went commercial.

Chris Jones: I’ve been down there and it looks like mainly a bunch of commercial buildings down there now and maybe one or two residential streets not much

Rev. Austin: Yeah, its got some west on Garrett and then you got some on, I can’t think of the…

Chris Jones: Are many of the black members of that community still there or did they move on?

Rev. Austin: No, they moved on they have a few that are in there, some live down below the church and behind where the church is a few down there and then down on Frasier Court that’s the name of the street. Garrett and Frasier Court, that’s Mosier Valley community. One family now, was two on south Pipeline, and got a Seventh Adventist Church on South Pipeline at the corner of Alexander and…

Chris Jones: That I’ve seen, I’m familiar with.

Rev. Austin: Well, that’s where you going on pass there you go on to down to St. John.

Chris Jones: Can you think of anything, anything else that would be pertinent. Again our focus is primarily northeast Tarrant County but are there other areas that you want to go to that’s fine

Rev. Austin: A picture of Mosier Valley, I’ve gone through it that I could remember course got a cemetery down below us.

Chris Jones: You're not talking about the Calloway Cemetery are you?

Rev. Austin: No that’s Mosier Valley cemetery.

Chris Jones: Where’s that?

Rev. Austin: You go past the church, keep going south until you get down there, there’s a trailer house, you turn left and go on down in to the cemetery.

Chris Jones: And that was the community cemetery?

Rev. Austin: Yeah.

Chris Jones: Okay.

Rev. Austin: It was donated too, the main one that people made, I kept worrying them into finally putting a wall, brick wall or a sand rock wall around it, and ah, some of the name you can read and some of them you can’t but they, they’re the one that donated it…for the land for Mosier Valley cemetery

Chris Jones: Is it being maintained by anybody?

Rev. Austin: There’s a young man that’s working with the community club now name Benny Tucker. He heads it up, earth haulers how they do landscaping work but he, he gets them work from the town, well what you call it, prisoners, sheriffs, whatever they is they come out and clean it up, sometime they bring the prisoners out to see to the cemetery

Chris Jones: I’m just wondering if it’s even on the list of cemeteries that we got, it might be but I don’t remember.

Rev. Austin: That’s what they call it, Mosier Valley Cemetery. What they do to find that one up there by Bell Helicopter? They posed to have been moved down to Mosier Valley.

Chris Jones: Another cemetery?

Rev. Austin: Yeah. It was on the paper.

Chris Jones: I missed that, where is that, where’s that located, south of Bell you say?

Rev. Austin: I think it is, I don’t know if its south or north, right there where they building on ah, Trinity Boulevard. I don’t recall what its on the south side or on the right side but anyway they found it up there when they were doing that landscaping for that building and they left it there. Now they want to move it cause I think they wanna do some more building and just out of courtesy…they wanna bring those names, I don’t know, the bones, whatever but they wanna move the name to Mosier Valley cemetery cause its just a small community cemetery up there in Hurst back there behind Bell they had it in the paper one time

Chris Jones: Did you have reason to believe it was a black community cemetery or do you know?

Rev. Austin: I don’t know what it was I don’t know if it was white or it might a been, I don’t know but it’s just a small cemetery I think.

Chris Jones: I’ll have to ask about that, I’m not familiar with that.

Rev. Austin: Maybe a historian there around Hurst I guess could tell you. I don’t know if William…I don’t know much about it cause he was born and raised there you know where Bell used to be at Hurst. William…might could give you some input on it.

Chris Jones: Okay.

Rev. Austin: Just about all an old man can call to memory, about eighty three years on this old earth and I don’t know if I get any more but if I got…

Chris Jones: Well I guess unless there’s anything else you want to throw in there, I guess we’re about done. I appreciate your time today.

Rev. Austin: Thank you for asking, I don’t know if I was any help.

Chris Jones: Any questions for me or…?

Rev. Austin: Yeah, they ah, keep asking me about writing a book what all is involved in writing a book.

Chris Jones: Ah, well really don’t know, ah, who is they and what kind a book are they talking about?

Rev. Austin: Just some history on my life for the black race to read, have in the library like this one for someone who wanted to come in and read about the history of Lloyd Austin, about the history of whatever, just pioneers that grown old.